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The three of them ran for it; at the door of the boys’ dormitory Harry looked back. Umbridge’s hand was still making snatching movements amongst the flames, as though she knew exactly where Sirius’s hair had been moments before and was determined to seize it.
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Soon it became very clear that communication was being watched at Hogwarts. Hedwig delivered her mail with a broken wing and Professor Umbridge noticed a fireplace call between Harry and Sirius.

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• What would you do if you knew the communication was being watched?
• How do you think Umbridge found out about Harry using the fireplace to communicate with Sirius?
• Why do you think Umbridge cancelled all student organizations, teams, groups, and clubs?
• Do you think that Umbridge was really acting on behalf of the Ministry or her own accord?
• The trio automatically assumed that Umbridge injured Hedwig. Do you agree with them? Why or why not?



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• What would you do if you knew the communication was being watched?

I would find a magical way to communicate , such as a speaking patronus.

• How do you think Umbridge found out about Harry using the fireplace to communicate with Sirius?

She does work for the ministry, so probably has access and information from the people who monitor the Floo Network.

• Why do you think Umbridge cancelled all student organizations, teams, groups, and clubs?

Because she is a highly suspicious person and because she knew it is hard to keep teenagers from socializing. she was bound to catch someone and we know she likes tormenting students.[/b[

• Do you think that Umbridge was really acting on behalf of the Ministry or her own accord?

[b]I think she is using the Ministry as a cover and excuse to further her own aims and prejudices,


• The trio automatically assumed that Umbridge injured Hedwig. Do you agree with them? Why or why not?

I think it is more likely that she told someone else to intercept the owls and said by any means necessary. She would not want to actually dirty her hands with it.

 

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• What would you do if you knew the communication was being watched?
I'd probably shut myself off and resign myself to a lack of communication with the outside world. Or set up some kind of code. Actually I really like that idea; codes it is.

• How do you think Umbridge found out about Harry using the fireplace to communicate with Sirius?
Well Floo Network is monitored and I would imagine that communications from Hogwarts would be doubly monitored in the given time. Add that to the fact that the communications was from an address with a known connection to Sirius and it wouldn't have been too hard to make a guess.

• Why do you think Umbridge cancelled all student organizations, teams, groups, and clubs?
I can only imagine that it was out of some kind of fear. As a tyrannical ruler she would be in constant fear of the students (who massively outnumber her) rising up against her. That and she did know about Harry's meeting in the Hogs Head so there was probably some kind of targeting there as well

• Do you think that Umbridge was really acting on behalf of the Ministry or her own accord?
I think it was a combination. I think she was told to take some control at Hogwarts, but the methods were left up to her. I doubt they looked to closely at the what she was doing as long as she was producing the desired results.

• The trio automatically assumed that Umbridge injured Hedwig. Do you agree with them? Why or why not?
It seems likely that she was involved given the evidence, but there could be other reasons too.
 

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• What would you do if you knew the communication was being watched?
Find alternate ways of communication, maybe even use the Muggle post office or a telephone, if possible, from Hogsmeade or other nearby towns. Or get a particular item enchanted by a really powerful wizard to aid in a two-way conversation, like Aberforth's mirror.

• How do you think Umbridge found out about Harry using the fireplace to communicate with Sirius?
She kept everything under close monitor, including all means of communication. Maybe she had special charms put in place. Or maybe she had some "spy" house-elves, who somehow saw Harry and reported back to her.

• Why do you think Umbridge cancelled all student organizations, teams, groups, and clubs?
She knew that she had turned a lot of the student body against her, even if they hadn't been opposed to her from the beginning. The revolting students might further try to sway the others against her, or even use these clubs for planning attacks, etc and so had to cancel them.

• Do you think that Umbridge was really acting on behalf of the Ministry or her own accord?
I think, she is a woman who has got certain ideas and strategies in her mind and she's very determined to achieve them. She always acts according to her own set of principles. During her Hogwarts stint, the Ministry's stand on events aligned with her own plans/ideas, and she was very happy to act on behalf of the Ministry during that time.

• The trio automatically assumed that Umbridge injured Hedwig. Do you agree with them? Why or why not?
It's difficult to ascertain. The trio did have reasons to suspect her, but they jump to conclusions far too quickly for my liking.

 

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What would you do if you knew the communication was being watched?

Well, I think what I'd do is probably just be careful what I'm saying. I might also try to mislead whoever was listening and make them look like a fool. Like, if it was Umbridge listening and trying to prove that something unsavory was happening, I'd make it seem like it was, then when she burst in to break it up, nothing would be happening and she'd look like an idiot. I also think that I'd probably have some kind of secret code for when a real communication needs to be made and not heard. There also might be a way to create a new system of communication (like the DA coins).
 

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• What would you do if you knew the communication was being watched?
I would not use any communication until I was out from under the watch. I would try to find out where one could communicate without being punished or watched.

• How do you think Umbridge found out about Harry using the fireplace to communicate with Sirius?
She probably used a spell to alert her if anyone was using the fireplace to communicate outside of Hogwarts.

• Why do you think Umbridge cancelled all student organizations, teams, groups, and clubs?
They didn't want them to be united. Students would become stronger and work together to solve problems as a group.

• Do you think that Umbridge was really acting on behalf of the Ministry or her own accord?
Both, she was pure evil and abusing her power to frighten the students.

• The trio automatically assumed that Umbridge injured Hedwig. Do you agree with them? Why or why not?
I agree with the Trio. Nothing ever happened to Hedwig before Umbridge came to Hogwarts. Umbridge was out of control and abusive with power.
 

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Both, she was pure evil and abusing her power to frighten the students.

Honestly, I don't agree with this. I actually think tue ministry might have been so frightened of Dumbledore and Voldemort, they just put her there to handle it. I don't think they had any say in what she did, though. It almost seemed like she was making decisions and they just agreed with her just to agree with her. I think they honestly just let her take control on her own. She was definitely abusing the power, but the ministry didn't care.
 

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Why do you think Umbridge cancelled all student organizations, teams, groups, and clubs?
I think she cancelled all clubs and organizations to limit the amount of communication between students, to prevent any further uprising. I also think she enjoyed the disappointment of the students.

Do you think that Umbridge was really acting on behalf of the Ministry or her own accord?
I think she used the Ministry to enforce her wishes of unhappiness on Hogwart's students. She wanted things run her way, order and pretty, so she played the "Ministry's orders" card for all of it.

The trio automatically assumed that Umbridge injured Hedwig. Do you agree with them? Why or why not?
I agree 100% that Umbridge injured Hedwig because she had no care for other wizards feelings and even less for magical creatures. She did not care of the amount of pain she caused the centaur in the Black Forest. She was a cruel and heartless witch.
 

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• What would you do if you knew the communication was being watched?
I would still use the communication channel that I thought was being watched, but I would put false information into it. I would alert those who needed to know it was being watched. I would be working on a new form of communication.
• How do you think Umbridge found out about Harry using the fireplace to communicate with Sirius?
I am sure it was monitored by the Ministry. I also think that Umbridge put some charms on it to alert her if it were being used. The cats on the plates would also watch and tell her what was going on.
• Why do you think Umbridge cancelled all student organizations, teams, groups, and clubs?
She wanted to make sure no organizations formed that would interfere with her plans and power.
• Do you think that Umbridge was really acting on behalf of the Ministry or her own accord?
I think both. For the most part she was working on her own and just using the Ministry as an excuse for what she was doing. She knew she had to keep the Ministry involved to a degree or they would start investigating her as well.
• The trio automatically assumed that Umbridge injured Hedwig. Do you agree with them? Why or why not?
She probably did, but there could have been other powers at work...or just a horrible accident. Given what Umbridge was doing and had done it would be easy to blame her. You need to step back and look at all the evidence be deciding something.
 

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• What would you do if you knew the communication was being watched?
I would research other forms of communication that they were not currently employing or developing one of my own
• How do you think Umbridge found out about Harry using the fireplace to communicate with Sirius?
I think she knew that the fire place was connected to the network through the ministry most likely by threat or intimidation
• Why do you think Umbridge cancelled all student organizations, teams, groups, and clubs?
She is a control freak, a narcissistic personality, power hungry, subjugation is the first thing someone like her would strive for
• Do you think that Umbridge was really acting on behalf of the Ministry or her own accord?
I think she used the Ministry as a stepping stone to seek power, but she acted on her own though Fudge was willing to back her because he was a weak ineffectual personality type who was dependent on others for his own success
• The trio automatically assumed that Umbridge injured Hedwig. Do you agree with them? Why or why not? I doubt she did it her self physically though I have no doubt it was done on her orders most likely by Filch or one of the Inquisitorial Squad
 

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• What would you do if you knew the communication was being watched?
I think, especially for Harry, that using muggle means of communication would be ingenious. Most magical folk wouldn't think about it or even know how to do it so he'd have a bit of an advantage there. Also, I think finding an unknown magical means to communicate would be cool too. Hermione could probably uncover it in her research at the library.

• How do you think Umbridge found out about Harry using the fireplace to communicate with Sirius?
She most likely had it tracked. I know I would! Having the only working fireplace in the whole of Hogwarts amongst a group of teenagers?? Heck yes I'd have it under tight watch somehow. Maybe she bewitched one of her cat plates to watch it for her and when it was being used the kitten somehow let her know.

• Why do you think Umbridge cancelled all student organizations, teams, groups, and clubs?
To prevent students from talking amongst themselves. There would be no reason for them to be socializing without clubs, etc, so they wouldn't be able to get unhappy together. Isn't that what all leaders do in times of rebellions and resistance? Try to keep the little people apart?

• Do you think that Umbridge was really acting on behalf of the Ministry or her own accord?
Definitely both. I think it started as working on behalf of the Ministry and then she took it a bit too far for her personal vendetta. Maybe she got power hungry and it went to her head.

• The trio automatically assumed that Umbridge injured Hedwig. Do you agree with them? Why or why not? I agree that it would be a very likely possibility, but of course we should never assume anything. I can see the reason behind it - Umbridge wanted to prevent Harry from communicating so what better way then affecting his owl. But it could just as easily have happened some other way although that would have been quite the coincidence!
 

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• What would you do if you knew the communication was being watched?
Either find a secret way of communicating, like through coded messages or the Galleons Hermione created, or just not communicate with people.

• How do you think Umbridge found out about Harry using the fireplace to communicate with Sirius?
She seemed to have everything watched, so it was likely because of that.

• Why do you think Umbridge cancelled all student organizations, teams, groups, and clubs?
She got news of Dumbledore's Army and couldn't stop them outright, so she had to make sure that if they were caught, they would get in trouble.

• Do you think that Umbridge was really acting on behalf of the Ministry or her own accord?
Both. The ministry seemed scared so they sent someone strict in to take care of things. I think she took it much further than the ministry would have been okay with though.

• The trio automatically assumed that Umbridge injured Hedwig. Do you agree with them? Why or why not?
She had never had any problems with delivery before so it seems likely that someone injured her in an unusual way. It might not have been Umbridge specifically but it was probably under her orders.
 

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I think both. For the most part she was working on her own and just using the Ministry as an excuse for what she was doing. She knew she had to keep the Ministry involved to a degree or they would start investigating her as well.

I'm not even sure that I believe the ministry would start investigating her. I think they were happy to just let her take over and see what she could do with the school. It's not like they didn't have more important things to worry about, and they knew that Umbridge was, at the very least, a trusting ally on their side of this fight.
 

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• Why do you think Umbridge cancelled all student organizations, teams, groups, and clubs?
I think it was part of her need for power. She could have a big impact on student life by cancelling the groups, and then she got power by having the students have to come to her and ask that their group be reinstated. I don't know if she was expecting a group to challenge her, but she would have been right to be suspicious.

• Do you think that Umbridge was really acting on behalf of the Ministry or her own accord?
I think Fudge gave her the latitude to do what she wanted. But I think that much of what she did was to feel powerful and to show that she should continue to rise in the ranks at the Ministry.

• The trio automatically assumed that Umbridge injured Hedwig. Do you agree with them? Why or why not?
Yes, I agree with them. I don't know who else would have hurt Hedwig. Filch seemed to have been loyal to her, and he says he enjoys punishing students. But I don't see him hurting an animal. On the other hand, I don't think Umbridge would give it a second thought.
 

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• What would you do if you knew the communication was being watched?
--- First, I'd use that knowledge and let them 'catch' a few missives.... filled with incorrect info as decoy. Then while they were chasing the red herrings, I'd send the real message in the other direcction.

• How do you think Umbridge found out about Harry using the fireplace to communicate with Sirius?
--- I imagine that she has every known form of communication monitored within Hogwarts. She didn't know specifically about the Sirius fireplace meeting, but when "a" fireplace activated, she was on it because of the alarms she had preset.

• Why do you think Umbridge cancelled all student organizations, teams, groups, and clubs?
--- Twofold reason. 1, to keep them from being able to get together in a group so they can plot her downfall. 2. When you isolate people and break their normal routines and things that give them pleasure and comfort you weaken their resolve and depress their ability to fight back. It's pure psychological warfare tactics.

• Do you think that Umbridge was really acting on behalf of the Ministry or her own accord?
--- Speciffically... no. I think she was a petty dictator who had been given power and was setting up her own little dictatorship. Generally... yeah, what she was doing was in line with the way the Ministry wanted things done. They didn't care about or want to know the specifics of her abuse.

• The trio automatically assumed that Umbridge injured Hedwig. Do you agree with them? Why or why not?
--- Yes. Because she is foul and I would not put anything past her. Hurting something beautiful that she feels is working for her 'enemy' is perfectly acceptable, even agreeable.


 

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• What would you do if you knew the communication was being watched?

I’d be very careful and wouldn’t sent anything I didn’t want anyone else to see. I also might try sending an owl from Hogsmeade during Hogsmeade weekends.

• How do you think Umbridge found out about Harry using the fireplace to communicate with Sirius?

That seems obvious. Someone was watching and told her.

• Why do you think Umbridge cancelled all student organizations, teams, groups, and clubs?
Aside from the fact that she could I think she knew about the students forming a secret club to practice defensive spells and wanted to stop it.

• Do you think that Umbridge was really acting on behalf of the Ministry or her own accord?

I think some of the things she did were on behalf of the Ministry but I think a lot of them were things she just did on her own that they weren’t even aware that she was doing.

• The trio automatically assumed that Umbridge injured Hedwig. Do you agree with them? Why or why not?

If it wasn’t her, I think it was someone acting on her behalf. She wanted to know who Harry was writing to and what he was telling them.


 

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• What would you do if you knew the communication was being watched?
I would think of a way to communicate that would not be picked up by Umbridge. I would used coded messages that are hard to decipher, and then meet in a place that was difficult to infiltrate.

• How do you think Umbridge found out about Harry using the fireplace to communicate with Sirius?
Maybe all fireplaces are watched by the Ministry to track comings and goings when the Floo network is used. Even if the Gryffindor Common Room was not connected to the Floo network, Umbridge might have suspected that it would be used for communications, especially because Harry was in that House, and Sirius Black had escaped. I also think that what Sirius was doing was probably not something new and Umbridge was mentally prepared for that possibility.

• Why do you think Umbridge cancelled all student organizations, teams, groups, and clubs?
She did not like the idea that students could plot against her.

• Do you think that Umbridge was really acting on behalf of the Ministry or her own accord?
I think she was acting on her own accord, above and beyond what the Minister had asked her to do.
 

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